Incarnating the Unknown Future
An Interview with John Woodcock

February 1, 2020

Interview by
Joanna Harcourt-Smith

In this week’s episode John Woodcock speaks with Joanna about: the disconnect that is killing us; enduring the purification process by the Mother; the undoing of the heroic consciousness; the emergence of “living thinking” from the future; bringing the new, including the darkness; Salvador Dalí and the fluidity of the new reality; the sacred speech of Nature; the new language of the poetic mind; “deliverance will come from a storm of light”; welcoming darkness with love; human love and the grief and despair of the Goddess; birthing the future within us.

John Woodcock: I hold a doctorate in Consciousness Studies (1999). My thesis concerns the theme of “the end of the world”, based on my own personal experiences lasting twenty years. At first it seemed to me that I was undergoing a purely personal psychological crisis but over time I discovered that I was also participating in the historical process of a transformation of the soul, as reflected in the enormous, even apocalyptic, changes occurring in our culture. During this difficult period of my life, I wrote two books, “Living in Uncertainty, Living with Spirit” and “Poems of Making, Poems of Death”. My next three books, “Mouthpiece”, “The Imperative”, and “Hearing Voices”, explore the meaning of “the end of the world” more fully. My subsequent books, including “Animal Soul” and “Manifesting Possible Futures”, establish a firm theoretical ground for the claim that the soul is urging us towards the development of new inner capacities that can help us face the uncertainty of modern life and, as well, address the unknown future. My book, “Overcoming Solidity”, continues this exploration in terms of our current structure of consciousness and its correlative world of empirical reality. “Making New Worlds” begins the work of articulating the art form that is emerging in response to the soul’s intention to incarnate in the real world. I develop this theme more fully in “The Coming Guest and the New Art Form”. The books, essays, and poetry that flowed from my ordeal are thus my attempt to understand and articulate what I personally went through, and to give birth to a new language that can express a nascent new world, based on the mystery of love. I currently live with my wife Anita Hansen in Sydney, where I teach, write, and consult with others concerning their own journey through the present “apocalypse of the interior”, as it has been called, in my capacity as a practicing Jungian psychotherapist. Anita and I also work with couples in a therapeutic setting.


“I Can’t Sit Still”, original music by Evarusnik

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